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hi everybody

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welcome to my presidential address here

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at

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this very different ssc pa conference

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i'm not exactly sure where in the

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program this is going to fit

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so in case it hasn't happened i'd like

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to just say thanks to a couple of people

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here at the very least

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first not necessarily foremost but just

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first john kruth

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who is the program chair and has put

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together a wonderful committee in

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putting this thing together

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in our first zoom conference

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the second is lauren brown at healthy

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seminars

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who has taken on the yeoman's task of

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pre-recording and doing this and doing

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that and

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this would have been seriously tough

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without him

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analisa who everybody knows in both

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societies everybody's been running

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around and being creative and trying

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something different and i hope i don't

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know where this talk is i hope all this

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is going swimmingly

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so let me move on from there and uh with

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a pun intended uh the title of my talk

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is let's move on

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but the subtitle is transitioning to

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pragmatic applications of anomalies

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and the plot the general idea about what

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i'm trying to do here

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i'm taking a larger view i'm not going

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to most of you or many of you are

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expecting me to talk about mice and

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healing and this and that the other

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thing

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and i have plenty of new data but i'm

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go a little bit higher today

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uh and kind of take an overview of where

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i'm recommending that

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at least the ssc go and i would welcome

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the pa

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going down this route also

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and so my plot

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an overview particularly for those who

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are new uh to review the meaning of a

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novelist and this will obviously happen

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to look at the difference between basic

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and applied research and i think pretty

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obviously i'm going to be recommending

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more applied research

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going forward in the future i'm going to

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tell a quick anecdote which i think will

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be illustrative of what i'm trying to

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get across and then i'll actually i'll

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deal with a little bit of healing

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research and and try to bring it all

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and and make my point with some

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specifics of healing research

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so let's start with a bird's-eye view of

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anomalous and i i apologize to anybody

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who's a wikipedia fanatic i don't use

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wikipedia so i'm using an old-fashioned

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webster's definition of anomalous

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inconsistent with or deviating from what

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now the sse this is our bread and butter

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we're trying to be scholarly

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we're trying to look at things that

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don't make a lot of sense

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and we're trying to bring rigorous

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methods and hopefully fundamentally and

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finally theory to those things which

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seem to be unusual

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uh or not expected in our understanding

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of the way the world works

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so anomalous isn't an objective

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statement it's a statement in

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relationship to those people who get to

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define what's normal

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an anomaly is something that doesn't

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make sense and so in that sense loosely

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which implies somebody can come along

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to what is normal

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now because something is not normal and

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contrary to our understanding of how the

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doesn't mean it doesn't happen it

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doesn't mean it can't be independently

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observed doesn't mean anything like that

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so past examples just some silly ones

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i saw a rock fall from the sky now if in

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a particular time and place if you see a

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rock fall from the sky

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that's not good for your team it's not

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good for your career it's not good for

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your sanity it's not good for anything

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because rocks can't fall from the sky it

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can't be done

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how would the rocks get up there in the

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first place i mean you can see where i'm

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going with this and you come along and

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you make the claim rocks are falling out

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i'm going to lock you up in one way or

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it doesn't mean rocks don't fall from

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the sky it means it can't they can't

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fall from the sky because we think we

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whales but how large an animal could be

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finding a meteorite someone comes along

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and finds a 12-foot femur now you can't

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have a 12-foot femur so what is this

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why is it a fake because it's not

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possible that's an anomaly

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now in 2021 i'm pretty sure a lot of

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people believe there was such a thing as

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in 2021 i'm pretty sure a lot of people

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think there are things like meteorites

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you up if you keep talking about that

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i'm going to lock you up if you keep

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talking about that oh they're dinosaurs

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i mean come on

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that's stupid you can't fly we can prove

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that you can't fly heavier than air

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uh a machine it doesn't make any sense

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microorganisms you know little teeny

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what was once anomalous

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where in the process of the sse for sure

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that you're ready to see the the

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if i go back 500 years and show some an

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i mean what wouldn't have its name is an

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iphone you know it wouldn't make any

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sense on any level to anybody it's not a

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discovery even if you're holding in your

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hand it's something that doesn't make

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any sense and obviously isn't possible

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so what your the transition from anomaly

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understands it and is ready to hear it

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that's our business that's our day job

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when does an anomaly become a discovery

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now here's a social reality

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everybody

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is becoming

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proportionally more ignorant over time

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no matter how much you learn

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between this week and next week

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more stuff will be known that you don't

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so no matter how much you learn and how

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much you study and how much you do

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what happens there well we have to start

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to specialize because we can't know that

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which is known who's the last person who

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knew everything i mean i don't know

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he had mastered his world

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now pick anything

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you can't master your field

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go into medicine well you don't go into

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medicine you go into a specialty of

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specialty of medicine you go into a

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specialty of a specialty of a specialty

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of because you know less and less about

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medicine so if you're a card-carrying

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ophthalmologist you know less and less

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now what does this mean well it means

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that you become progressively more

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we're gonna have to turn to someone for

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because we don't know the stuff we can't

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critical consumer of information sure

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what information it can't be all

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information that's crazy

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so we're gonna have to turn ourselves

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if we become empirical we do all of that

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stuff more and more we have to rely on

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who are we going to believe so let's go

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through some things we

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now i picked the first one i'm going to

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go back and forth with a couple of

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let's say someone is wondering is there

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such a thing as psy

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now of course it's a silly thing to even

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raise is a as a question given this

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conference we have a size society

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basically and we have an anomaly society

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and i think the vast majority in fact i

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can't think of anybody off the top who

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would say no size silly that's you know

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it doesn't make any sense but now how

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many people

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in taking this conference really know

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how much i'm asking the question of the

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data about psy do we believe it because

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we believe it or do we believe it

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because we've gone over the data do we

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believe it because there's some grand

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theoretical understanding of psy what's

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the reason that we would accept psy so

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we could ask a polling question do you

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think psy is real and the p the vast

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majority of the people at this

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conference are of course real you know

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stupid question if you go out into the

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public though how many people out in the

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scientists how many people have medical

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doctors have looked at the data on side

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and you'd say well they're not you know

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how are they going to know the data on

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side well you go and you ask people do

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you think psy is real and you're going

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any idea they either believe it or they

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don't believe it and they probably can't

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put their finger on how they got their

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so it's psy reel

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yes

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if you're asking me my opinion

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you want to hear some data i can talk

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about data for quite a bit of time and

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i'm sure there's a bunch of people in

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the conference who know much more of the

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data that i do

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is it just data is it theory is it

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what's the reason

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let's go less

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i don't know i i i don't know if this is

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controversial not the covet vaccinations

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are safe

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now how do we know the coveted

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vaccinations are safe

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there's a percentage of people in the

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states anyway who believe the coveted

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vaccinations are safe and a percentage

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who don't and we put this down into blue

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and red states which is really crazy are

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the covet vaccinations safe it's not a

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how many people know the data we can ask

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how many people believe they're safe but

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then i'd question where did you get your

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beliefs

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are you believing someone

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so you got anthony fauci what's his

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title the the nation's number one expert

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on

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uh vaccines or infectious diseases

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should we believe him because he's the

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nation's number one expert well who's

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the nation's number one expert on psy

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so imagine getting on the tube now every

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night and the the number one psy expert

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in the united states is going to say psi

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is real

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isn't that the same thing as the covert

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vaccinations are safe

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because i don't know the data on whether

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the covert vaccinations are safe

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i do know that some of the data on psi

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and probably there's a bunch of people

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are the exact opposite

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they don't know the data on side but

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they think oh yeah i know the data the

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covert vaccinations are safe notice i'm

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not answering the question is i real i'm

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not asking answering the question or the

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covet vaccination safe i'm asking

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where do you get your ideas where to get

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consciousness can affect random number

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generators

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now i'm going to go out on a limb here

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and say the vast majority of the people

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at this conference think consciousness

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can affect random number generators i

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certainly do

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i'm pretty familiar with the data so

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we'll go to one one locale that probably

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is the most

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famous the pear lab

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29

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going on 30 years of data showing that

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consciousness can affect random number

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generators

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isn't that enough

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but how many people know the data

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and why would they think you could

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and the people who think you could are

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they familiar with the data

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i went to a talk a number of years ago

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by a pretty well-known theoretical

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physicist who was giving a talk about

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doesn't make any difference

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and he's going on and on and on about

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various theories about the way the world

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works and someone goes to the microphone

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and says

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what would it mean to you

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if consciousness or intention could

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affect random number generators

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and he didn't pooh-pooh the question he

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stood there silently for quite a bit of

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time and then he said if consciousness

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can affect random number generators

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everything i know is wrong

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now that's a heck of a statement

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if consciousness can affect random

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number generators everything i know is

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and i was scurrying over to the uh mike

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to say perhaps you should take a look at

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some of the stuff coming out of

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princeton engineering i didn't make it

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he was whisked off this stage before i

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could get there but he's completely

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unaware

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of the the data at princeton but think

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of the incredible implications

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that that he just

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he alluded to

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everything i know is wrong if this can

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happen

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that's worth looking into

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it would be anomalous

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because it doesn't make any sense

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but 29 30 years of data i think it's

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the universe began with a big bang

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i mean there's even a tv show about that

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the universe began with the big bang

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well let everybody go bulk you know if

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you live in the 21st century of course

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it began with a big bang it's settled

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well there's some folks in the sse some

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of the founders who think maybe

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something's wrong i don't have time to

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go into it

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but how many people here know the data

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that would suggest the universe began

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with a big bang or is it that they

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believed so and so because they're the

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number one astrophysicist

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i'm the number one infectious disease

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person

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consciousness is independent of the

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pretty serious implications with this

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one

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how many people believe it probably a

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lot of you

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how many people believe it out there how

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many scholars believe it how many lay

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people believe it where did they get

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their ideas from how much do people

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really know about the evidence or is

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quantum entanglement is real the the

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cool thing now is to say the word

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quantum entanglement is real spooky

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accident at a distance is real

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how many know the data

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or is it

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yeah that's i'm hopping on board that's

430
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the thing to say that's the thing to

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unidentified aerial phenomena are

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now that's

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for a while

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instead of a meteorite landing in the

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field a ship lands in the field and you

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go around you tell someone you just saw

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something land and it's not of this

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earth that it in it and it and it and

439
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you're going to be run out of town now

440
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the military's gone man maybe

441
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we give up maybe it really does

442
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but where do you get your is it

443
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did you have to see a uap

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did you have to have the personal

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experience or are you looking at the

446
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data from a dispassionate scholarly side

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and so just reflect on the stuff that

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you reflect on or perhaps more

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accurately the things we don't reflect

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on so humans are a main source or the

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main source of global warming

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if you don't say this now because it's

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settled science i don't know what

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settled science means but if you don't

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say this now you're going to be run out

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of town as a denier

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how many people know the data

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and how many people agree on what the

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data ought to be are we going back 100

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000 years 200 000 years 500 000 years 5

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million years 5 years 50 years

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what would be the criteria

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but still we know

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these people

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say yes those people say no i wonder

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about these people and those people how

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many of them even know

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what the data might be now we can

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obviously keep going on but

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in basic research

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we want to know is this the way the

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world works what kind of data do we have

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what kind of scholarship can we bring to

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this

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it's wonderful and i'm suggesting here

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that we want to try to transition or

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start to transition to more applied

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research not to give up the basic for

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sure but let's see what we can apply

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and i think we can often make

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applications without much theoretical

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understanding of how the stuff works

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and some examples here pretty simple

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aspirin

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for the longest time known as any idea

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what the mechanism of action was for

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aspirin now did it matter no because

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people like to pop aspirin and they say

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good things happen

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most drugs are a theoretical

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you take a boatload of permutations and

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combinations you throw the stuff at the

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wall you see what sticks

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how does it work yeah why does it work

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yeah but does it work yes let's do it

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let's make something that does something

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and maybe we'll find out later why it

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gravity newton discovered gravity i mean

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come on

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i'm pretty sure someone before newton

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noticed there was gravity

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newton

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concretized it

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made it predictable put it in equation

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for crying out loud but you put 10

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theoretical physicists in a room and you

507
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ask what gravity is you're going to get

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a fight

509
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but i'm pretty sure there's gravity can

510
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we use it yes

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and i can go on and on and talk about

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the history of vacuum pumps and etc

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cetera but you get the idea

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it we don't need to necessarily go in i

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understand the way the world works let's

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apply it

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we can have a dialogue that goes both

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sudden transition quick anecdote

519
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and this is from the institute for

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venture science

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fundraiser

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jerry who many of you know

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started an institute for venture science

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wonderful goals

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and he was trying to raise an endowment

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that he asked a couple of people myself

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included to go and talk at the

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university of washington to some folks

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who have many dollars you know they have

530
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lots of extra dollars they want to throw

531
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their extra funds at something

532
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worthwhile and can we can jerry said

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come and talk about your your healing

534
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research and maybe at the end of that we

535
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can shake some dollars out of some of

536
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these folks who have many dollars

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and so i went and i talked for too long

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about all sorts of data which i found

539
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i couldn't find any reasonable counter

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hypotheses to my data i showed this that

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and the other and and and

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and so the the people in the audience

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were supposed to be wowed

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about a hundred people

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and at the end after my talk i was

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supposed to go i was assigned a table of

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young people and i'm supposed to go to

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this round table and we'd sit and we'd

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have lunch and we'd talk about all these

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exciting discoveries and all that kind

551
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of good stuff and i had just finished a

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reasonably long talk or perhaps an

553
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unreasonably long talk on some of my

554
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healing research and i sat down and you

555
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know i'm patting myself in the back guy

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was this stuff cool or what and the

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younger folks

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and by young they were probably

559
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certainly nobody was above 35

560
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they all look 12 but they they they

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nobody was above 35. and sitting around

562
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and i had just gone through all of this

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healing data and said isn't this

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incredible and yada yada look at these

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discoveries and they they said

566
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,440
don't we already know this stuff

567
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:15,360
and i said no i don't think so i think

568
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:18,240
this is reasonably uh uh recent off the

569
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,280
press

570
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,559
and they said

571
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,440
you know

572
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,520
you're you're raising stupid questions

573
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:25,280
like you know does healing happen and

574
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,240
this and that and what are the

575
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,799
parameters and such but we we don't

576
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,039
really care we just assume that healing

577
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,440
happens and we really and

578
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,679
by we i mean collectively the the young

579
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:38,159
folks at this table they had two goals

580
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,240
alone and these are rich young people

581
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,960
how do i experience this

582
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,760
what can how do i get involved in this

583
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:49,440
don't give me your abstract scholarly

584
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,559
stuff alone show me how to do it

585
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,320
and how do we apply it what can you do

586
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,919
with it so

587
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,080
it's more meaningful to me these folks

588
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,240
at the institute

589
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,840
it's more meaningful to me to have

590
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,600
personal experience it's more meaningful

591
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,159
to me to have application

592
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:17,190
so i asked the question

593
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,710
what comes first

594
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,640
what gets someone

595
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:22,320
to think

596
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,950
i'm going to convert i'm going to

597
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:30,640
believe i'm going to change my beliefs

598
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,669
and incidentally on the which came first

599
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,039
it's kind of like a chicken egg problem

600
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,559
don't get all hung up about it and

601
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,720
incidentally on that i i solved this not

602
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,400
many people know this but

603
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,320
i solved the chicken egg problem it's it

604
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,159
turns out to be the chicken

605
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,000
in case anybody wanted to know

606
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,919
so what comes first

607
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,440
what's the reason you accept what you

608
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,000
accept is it theory is it quality of

609
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,360
data is it personal experience is it

610
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,919
potential for practical application

611
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,720
now

612
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,799
the society of scientific exploration

613
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,960
and presumably the the pa

614
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,120
are primarily interested and focused on

615
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,679
the first two bullets

616
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,640
most people i suspect are focused on the

617
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:16,880
second two bullets

618
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,520
and you can make a compelling case well

619
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,600
shouldn't we be scholarly and be trying

620
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,159
to develop a good theoretical model and

621
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,080
shouldn't we be looking at the criteria

622
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,760
of how good of our data and all that

623
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,080
kind of stuff and the answer is yes but

624
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,559
i don't think we should look at the top

625
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:34,640
two bullets

626
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,440
similarly i don't think anyone just

627
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,840
focusing on the bottom two bullets

628
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,640
should ignore the first two bullets

629
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,520
so we're looking here at i think i hope

630
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,279
some sort of a balance

631
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,360
so we'll come back to this theory data

632
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,080
experience and practical application

633
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,799
and now i'll give a quick illustration

634
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,240
from healing research try to bring this

635
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,510
and i'm just here very quickly just talk

636
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,520
about mice data so i have and have

637
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,039
reported to these societies and

638
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,840
published 18 in vivo healing experiments

639
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,159
on cancerous mice i have an active

640
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,240
research agenda or

641
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,320
experiments 19 and 20 are currently

642
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,559
going on these have been done in a

643
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,159
variety of medical schools and

644
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,640
university biology labs i've done a

645
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,120
zillion in vitro experiments and and all

646
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:27,360
this kind of thing and the basic model i

647
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,240
have

648
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,840
i take something that's already well

649
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,840
understood cancer and mice this is a

650
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,600
cancerous mouse

651
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,440
i apply some healing

652
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,000
to a cancerous mouse

653
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,080
and interesting things which we would

654
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,400
call anomalies occur

655
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,640
what's supposed to happen is a hundred

656
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,400
percent of the mice die

657
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:50,799
what happens is that the vast majority

658
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,870
now that's reasonably interesting

659
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,600
from a scholarly point of view

660
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,520
reasonably interesting from a data point

661
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,039
of view

662
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,600
and i can come up with a good

663
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,799
sequence

664
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,640
of data-based

665
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,039
discoveries

666
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,039
so here we are at the ssc and here we

667
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,200
are at the pa and we like data well i

668
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,279
got a lot of data

669
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,880
cures abound

670
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,039
distance is irrelevant there is a dose

671
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,600
response and you go on and on down all

672
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,520
the way down there's a whole lot of

673
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:27,360
stuff that i could say

674
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,159
i can pretty reasonably well

675
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,679
defend

676
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,159
and show data that all of these bullet

677
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,440
points are in fact defensible

678
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,520
but it's just data

679
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,600
if you don't know the data

680
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:43,039
and i come along and i ask you what do

681
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,559
you think about healing you go i don't

682
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
know i believe it what do you i don't

683
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,240
know i i

684
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,240
i want to show me

685
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,919
and what does that really mean give me

686
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:53,760
an experience

687
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,559
make it something useful

688
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,000
again i'm not suggesting we throw out

689
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:00,080
the scholarly i'm saying we're

690
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,470
so these are the kinds of things i

691
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,080
demonstrated at the institute for

692
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,600
venture science and these are the kinds

693
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,360
of things that the

694
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,400
younger folks the next generation

695
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,080
said

696
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:18,080
do we already know this what can we do

697
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,310
if we go data i got lots if we go theory

698
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,640
i don't have anything that's good

699
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:33,520
i'm empty-handed how do these cancer

700
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,350
and how do i do it so that it really

701
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,840
explains what's going on and it predicts

702
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,600
what the next experimental outcome will

703
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,720
be

704
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,799
and the answer is i don't know

705
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,840
i just i just don't

706
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,760
know so i've got good data i have no

707
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,960
theory

708
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,960
that's any good and since i have no

709
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,279
theory that's any good i'm right to be

710
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,200
called an anomaly because i don't

711
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:05,200
understand it it works it's reliable

712
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,590
so can we make it personal experience

713
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,799
we got data we don't have theory

714
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,720
personal experience many student and

715
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,200
faculty volunteers have acted as healers

716
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:22,799
it appears

717
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,389
are the people who accept healing

718
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,679
accepting healing because of the data

719
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,760
are they accepting healing because of

720
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,640
the theory and there's no good theory

721
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,960
is it because they've been healed

722
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,360
it's because they heard a story once

723
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,440
it's because the number one

724
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,600
not infectious disease specialist but

725
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,840
the number one healing specialist said

726
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,760
yes there's something healing and they

727
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:53,679
said it in a booming voice and it was

728
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,120
authoritative and therefore it must be

729
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,880
or is it an abstract thing to most

730
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,669
and now in the bottom two bullets here i

731
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,120
want to transition to practical

732
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:06,960
applications and talk about a couple of

733
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,789
can we make this

734
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,320
practical

735
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,640
so it's interesting healing happens they

736
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,080
got enough experiments 20 is enough

737
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,679
let's be like saying i got random number

738
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,640
generators how many years do you have 30

739
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,880
30 years is enough

740
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,039
in 30

741
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,840
years a zillion experiments okay

742
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,600
random number generators can be affected

743
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,600
by conscious intent

744
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,440
i got enough data over more than 30

745
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,840
years yeah healing happens

746
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,240
and i got some interesting correlates

747
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,520
now

748
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,880
can we make it

749
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,080
practical

750
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,919
i'm saying up front i don't understand

751
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,640
the stuff can i make it practical

752
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,399
so i've been going down an experimental

753
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,799
method for scaling now using

754
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,240
and these are only two of the models

755
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,240
i've used recordings

756
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,399
and water and i want to go over that

757
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,200
just very quickly to illustrate even if

758
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,520
we don't understand something

759
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:10,159
perhaps we can turn it to something

760
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,320
that's a real viable application

761
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:15,760
and maybe

762
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,750
so this is recordings this is a picture

763
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,000
from dean raiden's uh

764
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,320
faraday cage at ions actually it's his

765
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,440
former place the the the faraday cage

766
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,679
used to be and the the general idea is

767
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,240
we take this big wonkin cage and we go

768
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,640
inside the cage and three people

769
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,399
are practicing a particular healing

770
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,919
technique that i developed and we ran a

771
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,480
whole bunch of recorders

772
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,320
so we had a boatload of recorders the

773
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,799
details are published elsewhere but we

774
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,880
had a boatload of recordings running as

775
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,360
we had healing intention going on and

776
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,080
the question really simple is can we

777
00:30:02,710 --> 00:29:59,360
take that recording and reproduce

778
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,669
without the healers

779
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,600
so we get a recording

780
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,559
of healing intention

781
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,279
and we play this to cancer cells if you

782
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,360
can see my pointer these are cancer

783
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,120
cells in an incubator

784
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,919
these are speakers this is a amplifier

785
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,080
and we play the recording we made in

786
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,440
dean's faraday cage to cancer cells in

787
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,269
no body no healers involved

788
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,200
healers were involved in the recording

789
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,520
now we're applying it

790
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,320
and we get some pretty interesting stuff

791
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,480
we get robust results

792
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,480
reliable results

793
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,960
serious biological results

794
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,480
which turn into

795
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:48,399
a pretty interesting paper

796
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,640
basic research paper it's not an applied

797
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,440
paper it's a basic research paper in a

798
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,600
biology journal for crying out loud i

799
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,720
said well

800
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:00,960
it happened let's let's let's publish it

801
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:04,000
we publish it

802
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,360
now the question is can we turn this

803
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,230
some conclusions from this article

804
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,000
or really only the first three we didn't

805
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,029
but the first one reproducible biologic

806
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,720
changes have been induced by healing

807
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,200
intention

808
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:27,200
we did this seven times

809
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,279
and we get 68 out of 167 cancer genes

810
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,640
examined

811
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,880
would significantly change

812
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,960
that's not too subtle

813
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,080
so 68 genes change we replicated 68

814
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,799
genes changed we've replicated 68 genes

815
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:45,120
change there's a clue going on here it's

816
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,230
number two we go to an applied

817
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,559
well if this is if healing can be

818
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,799
captured and released if we can store it

819
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,720
if we can bottle it if we can put it in

820
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,840
a battery

821
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:01,840
maybe we can make this more widely

822
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,710
three goes back to a basic question

823
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,640
basic research hands-on healing is

824
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
stronger than the recording

825
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,799
well that's interesting

826
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,200
we don't know why want to look into why

827
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,000
right now we don't know why

828
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,760
but now number four we could go to an

829
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,440
application

830
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,519
turns out healing activity produces a

831
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,559
conditioned space

832
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,240
and once we play the recording in an

833
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,919
incubator

834
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,159
we can get the biologic changes without

835
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,799
the recording

836
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,279
for some unknown length of time we can

837
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,600
put in other words cancer cells into the

838
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,159
incubator not play the recording they'll

839
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,399
still change we've only tested it up to

840
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,919
three days

841
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,240
reasonably interesting so here in our

842
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,159
conclusions we got a couple of basic

843
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,240
conclusions we got a couple applied

844
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,120
conclusions we got that so

845
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,679
can we up this to

846
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,000
mice

847
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:06,640
this is a brown university we got cages

848
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,760
of mice we got the same speakers we play

849
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,559
the

850
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,480
recording to cancerous mice and what

851
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,200
happens we get what we would call in the

852
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,720
sse

853
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,559
anomalies

854
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,120
the tumors start to ulcerate weird stuff

855
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,880
starts to happen

856
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,519
biological changes occur

857
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,760
we got we don't care about the details

858
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,600
but we can see changes in the blood we

859
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,240
can see changes in the in the organs we

860
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,360
can see changes and these effects appear

861
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,200
to be reliable

862
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,240
this turns also into a fundamental paper

863
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:42,720
in a biology journal

864
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,389
we've also taken doing recordings out of

865
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,279
the fancy faraday cages with the fancy

866
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,600
equipment and done more simple versions

867
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:57,440
and it turns out that this stuff works

868
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,480
too

869
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
we're not sure yet if it works as well i

870
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,640
kind of suspect that if we go into a

871
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,640
recording studio the effect size won't

872
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,519
be as great but these are basic research

873
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,320
questions that can continue but notice

874
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,480
and these studies are ongoing even as we

875
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,240
speak

876
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,960
notice the last bullet

877
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,520
this is globally scalable

878
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,599
if we can develop a way to record

879
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,760
healing and tension

880
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:25,679
even if we don't understand what it is

881
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,679
really we're recording and i'd love to

882
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,440
we can turn this into a globally

883
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,760
scalable application

884
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,560
wouldn't that get people's attention

885
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:38,879
wouldn't that be interesting if we can

886
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,720
upload a healing effect into

887
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,000
the cloud

888
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:46,000
and have it downloadable

889
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,440
globally

890
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,079
that would be interesting

891
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,919
can we take a different model and make

892
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:54,000
it so what i'm trying to get at is we

893
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,800
have

894
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,159
basic

895
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,800
scientific questions we also have

896
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:01,760
serious application possibilities

897
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,430
we've done this with water

898
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:11,599
at uconn med school some years ago i

899
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,040
showed that water can store healing

900
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,359
we can put healing intention into water

901
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:19,920
it remembers it can be fed to mice that

902
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,079
we've never met and those mice get fixed

903
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,880
that's interesting but not necessarily

904
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,599
scalable it's interesting but not

905
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,880
necessarily

906
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,200
globally applicable

907
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,280
so the question came up how do we scale

908
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:36,800
it well

909
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,160
playing around this is the short version

910
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,920
we followed a homeopathic model of

911
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,440
dilution and succussion this isn't

912
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,680
homeopathy this is just dilution and

913
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,720
succussion but dilution and succussion

914
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,680
is a way is a method that we can we can

915
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,160
scale we can up the production of all

916
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,240
this stuff

917
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,760
so we

918
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,320
settled on a promising formulation of

919
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,839
treating water

920
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,400
and we've done three clinical studies i

921
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,160
haven't reported on this yet

922
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,240
using about a hundred volunteers in each

923
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,320
study we've done two in the states we've

924
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,000
done one in europe and we have water

925
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,560
that's been treated

926
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:18,880
that in turn has been diluted and

927
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,160
succussed to a certain formulation

928
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,760
and now it's given to clinically people

929
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,240
so we've had about 300 people take two

930
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:31,680
drops four times a day sublingually for

931
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,510
crazy findings and i'm just

932
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,320
brushing on them very quickly here 98 of

933
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,680
the people taking this reported

934
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:45,359
improvements

935
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,200
we've had a variety of conditions report

936
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,359
i'm just leaving it loose as changes and

937
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,280
some of the changes are pretty dramatic

938
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,520
including and not limited to

939
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,240
arthritis cancer depression anxiety pain

940
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,160
parkinson's the stuff is reasonably

941
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,349
and

942
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,599
among the interesting findings we have

943
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,200
is that when we put it through this

944
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,599
production process there seems to be

945
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,320
some additive effect

946
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:16,720
i'll talk about this sometime later down

947
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:22,870
so think of possibilities we've got a

948
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,000
whole slew of basic research questions

949
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,800
but it if they're done pursued without

950
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:31,040
the possibility of clinical application

951
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,720
i think we're missing the boat we've

952
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,040
spent way too much time

953
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,760
responding to critics who say they'll

954
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,760
walk around and go well i don't believe

955
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,280
in psy because you know it's not

956
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,599
possible it's like i don't believe that

957
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,440
rocks can fall out of the sky because

958
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:47,200
you know it's not possible i don't

959
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,880
believe it because i don't believe

960
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,880
nobody's going to know the data ever

961
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,480
really

962
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,160
let's make some applications too let's

963
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:58,000
go down both roads

964
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,040
let's not

965
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:00,720
pay attention to the dopey people who

966
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,109
so think of these as possibilities for

967
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:08,960
future research

968
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,320
both basic and applied

969
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:14,079
what happens if we condition the space

970
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,880
of

971
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:17,040
medical clinics

972
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:18,800
what happens if we supply clients with

973
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,829
can these recordings that we're making

974
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:25,839
with or without drops enhance clinical

975
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,589
these are interesting questions

976
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,000
which would solve or not solve it would

977
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,640
feed the curiosity of the basic

978
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,440
researcher as well as

979
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,280
open up the possibilities to the folks

980
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,280
who are never going to know all of the

981
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,720
data

982
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,880
if you're sick do you care about the

983
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,680
data do you want to just get better

984
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,839
if you're a researcher

985
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,280
do you care about making people better

986
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,200
you just want to understand it we have a

987
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,680
tendency to go to our private silos i'm

988
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:59,280
trying to get dialogue to go back and

989
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,230
so what matters the most

990
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,750
is it theory

991
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,520
is it data

992
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:15,920
is a personal experience

993
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,280
is it practical application

994
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,800
which of these

995
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,000
gets people to change their mind

996
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,920
and i suspect

997
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,400
that we would get some mileage

998
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,640
out of looking at i can't do it today

999
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,119
but i'm looking at theories of religious

1000
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:38,390
particularly religious conversion which

1001
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,960
are focused on radical religions sex

1002
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,280
what gets someone

1003
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,440
to join a sect

1004
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,200
might be parallel

1005
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,520
to what gets someone to join an

1006
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,599
anomalous belief or a belief in an

1007
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,119
anomaly

1008
00:40:03,270 --> 00:39:58,320
radical

1009
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:03,280
and this kind of

1010
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,720
religious conversion belief

1011
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,960
has been looked at quite a bit and is

1012
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:11,920
worth i think pursuing

1013
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,280
and i get i think there's overlaps to

1014
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,319
what gets someone to accept an anomaly

1015
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,079
so if we had a list of things that the

1016
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,319
people in this conference believe

1017
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839
and the list of things people in this

1018
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,200
conference don't believe and they're all

1019
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,040
anomalies

1020
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,119
there's probably a bunch of buttons that

1021
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,119
i could push that would get people in

1022
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,560
this conference to go no too far

1023
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,640
i'll buy this i won't buy that but is it

1024
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,480
because of the quality of the data it's

1025
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,480
because one has a better theory because

1026
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,640
you've experienced it because you can

1027
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,560
show me something practical

1028
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,480
it's not simple

1029
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,880
we have in the sse

1030
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,040
and likely the pa focused on the first

1031
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,440
two bullets

1032
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,359
most people are focused on the second

1033
00:41:02,950 --> 00:40:57,280
two bullets on the third and fourth

1034
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,069
i'm suggesting we broaden our

1035
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,400
horizons and we stop paying attention to

1036
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:09,839
the stupid people who just say oh this

1037
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,710
so i'll stop for now and answer

1038
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,520
questions i thank you to a variety of

1039
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,640
institutions

1040
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,560
thank you to very generous funding by

1041
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,119
the emerald gate charitable trust

1042
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,200
and i say thank you

1043
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,240
and